He lays on the symbolism pretty thick himself, calling the Colorado river his Rubicon, New Vegas his Rome. There is no logical reason for them to sell slaves. but the Legion are irredeemably evil. Everyone has a role to fill, and a job to do, The men fight, the women bear children, those brought into slavery build and work. A caravan can travel through miles of Legion territory without protection as long as they obey Caesar's laws. their culture is being suppressed; 3.) Being a part of the Empire, even if it will make fighting the Thalmor easier, will still cost the Nords their homogeneity due to the typical globalisation and migration effect that empires have. So the best course of action would be to squash the rebellion, restore order, and one day, drive the Russian invaders from your land. Whatever, they're cruel, sadistic villains. Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. If it had better outfits and much more content, I would side with them in every playthrough. Humiliation of the enemy. The resolution comes on the heels of a statement released a few weeks ago by American Legion National Commander Denise H. Rohan, who sent her condolences to the victims and their families affected by the mass shooting in Las Vegas. Despite this people say the legion is good because some traders said they feel safe in Legion territory. The legion has no chance. The following member of the dynasty is lighter, and loved--the hard stuff has already been done. I don't like or agree with them, but the main part of the Legion's appeal, I think -- at least as far as the characters in Fallout go -- is that they bring safety and order to the places that they occupy. Caesar's Legion as it currently stands is a warrior culture. They crucify in hopes that it will deter people, and bring law and order to the wastes. I feel like if they'd made an expansion in Arizona so that you could see life inside their borders - no raiders, more safety, but stringent society, it'd have been better. Because some people think being edgy is cool, and some just want to troll; These groups are not mutually exclusive, however. We did. That's the problem. Yes they are villains, and yes they are evil, but they're not cartoonishly evil. I feel like part of the family and I've made so many new friends.” About us. In the Fallout world, that might just work. I love new vegas, and when you read the fallout bible you get a glimpse of what could have been with the legion, but they didnt develop them enough and what you see instead is a faction thats evil for stupid, shitty reasons that dont make much sense. [–]Golden_Spider666 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children), my character in my first run of NV was a "Fuck this, I almost fucking died, im for myself and thats it" kinda dude, I joined Yes-Man, and took over New Vegas, if i could've joined nobody i wouldve gladly chosen to do so and watch them fight it out, However I think joining Yes-Man as well railroads you to the NCR, [–]vtelgeuse 17 points18 points19 points 3 years ago (0 children). I agree with everything written here, but would like to clarify that's why I see them as a very interesting black, or at the very best, an incredibly dark shade of grey. [–]Diddu_Sumfin 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children). Now Germany being the head state of the EU, while hating Russia, knows that they cannot beat them and so bides their time. Context and explanation =/= question. I always had the feeling that the Legion was meant to be the obvious bad guy faction in the game. You have to look at the facts and not just believe the first piece of information given to you. I remember walking into Nipton and seeing the burnt town with the people up on crosses. They could have kidnapped them if they really wanted to, but killing them was a far easier solution that effectively achieved the exact same goal. The Strip under House is safe but it's just a small area. It's part of the reason why traders keep coming: the Legion has good deals. That's like asking "Why do people like to eat crab?" Do you think that justifies the lack of political freedom? Civilized in this case means romanized. The legion is even more expansionist than the NCR and they're much more violent about it. The reason some people defend Legion slavery is because they state industrial revolution during times such as that requires manual labor from slavery, but the Legion or Caesar went ahead and put a road block on said industrial revolution, which would mean they are in a loop with no discernible path to get out of slavery, kind of like real life. I used this to get the Luck Glasses in the Legion … Sure, New Vegas was riddled with bugs, the combat is bland, and it didn’t exactly look pretty even when it was released in 2010. Yeah, I didn't kill Benny at the tops, and he ran to The Fort. That's part of what makes him a great villain. It's why people also say it is a very easy choice to make not to pick the Legion: of course it will be easy if you think "sexist and crucifixion obsessed slavers" is all there is to them. I know, I didn't have a knife on me though. It wouldn't make sense for him to give a foreigner power so soon, but it'd be cool if you could genuinely join the Legion and earn his trust. We see one thats a healer...and others that are draggung rocks up and down the hill the camp is on. In all frankness, Legion support is all too often naive people who are easily suckered by smart-sounding speeches over good political substance. Defend the area from incoming enemy attacks. There are no pure villains in real life, none. So I want to play the legion once, with Caesar's regime and Factions Reloaded - Legion mods, (no other mods though). Because statistics track the total global population of slaves, and the definition of slaves includes all forms of slavery. It's much like the support of Fascism, which ironically uses the same symbology of the Romans. If you like freedom, go with Yes Man. People got rights (somewhat) people survived and loved rich lives. After the hard shit of taking and taming the lands, you get to be the good that everyone wants. Feral ghouls are creatures found in the Mojave Wasteland in 2281. Even in the game, the places where I tend to find Legion soldiers are sort of uneven, hilly, rough terrains where uniforms, heavy guns and power armor don't count as much. [–]MarxistSociologist 45 points46 points47 points 3 years ago (6 children). I honestly hated Caesar personally for going back on his principles when its inconvenient for him. If you talk to Raul, he claims that before Legion came along, legion lands were ripe with banditry, but after Legion flattened the lands, they were far safer. More than 1 in 10 of your posts or comments being self-promotional is spamming. Just like everyone else in our world before the 1970s? Realize that while the death of Caesar loosens the grasp on the Mojave, the surrounding states are still Legion territory. Yeah like 50% of the population is already screwed right off the bat because of the Legion. Do not post spoilers in titles. So it occurs to me that, no matter how much I research, there is NOTHING defending the legion. 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (1 child). Why religious people 'cling' to beliefs even when contradicted by evidence. Ah, but to the Legion, the religion serves the ideology (with Caesar commenting a cult of personality is necessary to keep him as absolute ruler), whereas with ISIS the ideology serves the religion (with experts and insiders saying their leaders' goals and strategies are heavily reliant on prophesies within the Quran). Home; Practice Areas; About; News; Contact; Phone: +44(0)7723465484 [–][deleted] 41 points42 points43 points 3 years ago (3 children). Rendered by PID 30456 on r2-app-01d298756a9da77a1 at 2020-12-18 18:31:17.206179+00:00 running 38155e9 country code: US. And some people value competence highly. I do wish that it would've been possible to peacefully unite some of the smaller tribes under your own banner as opposed to just personally gaining their support (maybe even literally one you could design or choose from a set of designs, complete with a base/compound and an outfit/uniform of your choosing?) He has no interest in talking to the chosen one, so he doesn't beyond his introduction. Legion only actually enslaves tribal women, and only militarises tribal men. You consider that encounter amazing ? There's a trophy for killing him with a knife. Everyone else has already explained why they'll fall, but it seems no one explains the choice they instead advance and use better technology. Whether it becomes the same slave territory, just advanced, or a newer version, would depend on variables I am not up to calculating. They roleplay. Natural selection. I sided with them during my evil play through of the game. Skyrim is not 1960s/2017s San Francisco. I was sad to see so little done with the Khans, though. Or could, even if they wanted to. There is no logical reason for them underequipping troops with what amounts to a few bits of leather and a big knife. They are not evil because they made a choice to be evil for it's own sake, they are evil becaue they decided that was an acceptable price to pay to accomplish goals that are admirable. [–]krackbaby 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (8 children). Intelligence- 1 Legionaries have no reason … [–]HeavenAndHellD2argthe least scumbag group at least 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children), they have a semblance of purpose for being evil, but i agree that they are pure evil in the end, [–]villianboyBrotherhood Paladin 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children), Because they make the wasteland safe in the areas under their control, unfortunately a lot of their part of the story isn't there, [–]LasagnaMuncher 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children). (and by our 21st century sensibilities quite a big fault) People are stripped of old allegiances, kids are brought up uniformly away from families. Thats literally it. Hence Hitler, but in fiction form, wouldn't be cartoonishly evil. The Mojave residents and ncr aren't seen as civilized to the legion, [–]MarxistSociologist 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (3 children). It got to the point where the mission where you HAVE to go to the legion I couldn't do cause I would get shot down pretty quickly. "Pure evil" is something invented by religion and cartoons directed at children, or very bad movies who think "villainy" is something you choose to do for the sake of it. Vault-Tec Multiplayer Mod - \"VaultMP\" - is a multi-player mod for the PC versions of Bethesda\'s award-winning role-playing games Fallout 3, Fallout: New Vegas and The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion. [–]MxPlumeOverBitch Wannabe 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (5 children). They were kinda cool and really a pain in the ass to get to (I'm looking at you, Cazadors) but once you got there, there were one or two little quests and very little else. [–]Motherdragon64Chandler Bing 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children). What you see in the legion camp is not a civilization, it is the military. One thing I always think about, though, is how Yes Man says he is going away to become "more assertive". think "sexist and crucifixion obsessed slavers" is all there is to them. Do I have to play the previous games of fallout before playing fallout 4? [–]Vault121 24 points25 points26 points 3 years ago (4 children). You make some good points regarding the tactical reasons for some of the legions decisions, I do think under-eqipping his army is doomed for failure. [–]JyuconceptsProud Brotherhood Scum 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (5 children), The question is "why do people defend the legion? Do you think Walmart would rather pay its workers or have them work for free? Despite this people say the legion is good because some traders said they feel safe in Legion territory. They are not grey. This diversity allows a secondary protection, for instance a group is incorporated, tries to form a coup, but everyone else is different, they have no collective group to appeal to, which prevents uprisings or disorderly actions. There is one problem with the Legion though. Keep it civil and do not make personal attacks to other users. Well no, because Hitler was a real human being. Those are both from the Legion victory slides. i almost wish i could have ghengis khan encounter this world and see just how he might handle it. He was pissed with economists because they pointed out that slavery was inefficient -- slaves actually cost more than free workers, as they have less incentive to do a good job. Some people like order and law above all else, even if that causes the persecution of some. The Legion was originally supposed to have a lot more presence than they do, but most of their content was cut in order to meet production deadlines, so they're basically an incomplete faction. To the Ship! Yeah, this is kind of the point of the New Vegas conflict. He used words like Hegelian Dialetics! The ncr isn't committing atrocities to their prisoners so the active raiders aren't as horrified of the outcome. The Legion seems pretty heavily like the knights templar trope without the religious tones you typically expect from such a group. Like, they're very interesting villains but their entire formation is one violent mess. My legion run was bent on "yeah this shit is messed up. The Legion's extreme methods are seen as the only way to bring those regions to heel. The availability of large numbers slaves increases the overall population of Legion territories and gives them a larger "economic base" with which to finance their campaigns and from which to source new recruits. [–][deleted] 35 points36 points37 points 3 years ago (1 child), In game is not a complete representation of the actual lore. And it's poorly written/make no sense. You have a point. I like that idea, it would make the late game feel less trivial. And he outlawed all use of modern medicine (except for when he needs it) and any advanced technology that could improve everyone's lives. Which is where you end up with Right Wing Authoritarians. When logged in, you can choose up to 12 games that will be displayed as favourites in this menu. Before you meet him, you expect him to be some stone-faced tyrant who barks orders of genocide from a throne of skulls, but instead he's a stoic, pragmatic, and sharp-witted man who speaks with a charming, almost fatherly tone. [–]OverseerConeyFollowers 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children), To elaborate, then... they're well-written villains, which includes describing how they manage to manipulate people into joining them, and how they manage to score some victories through their ruthless methods. So by taking sex slaves, the Legion can produce an army of sons who can be shaped as Legion soldiers from birth. Don't you think that will all fall apart as soon as Caesar dies? So confusing... Frank is made to kill. A new documentary detailing allegations of sexual abuse has the pop star’s most activist supporters ready to jump on Twitter and YouTube to defend his name. To me, that would've fit much better with the ending where you kill Mr. House and claim New Vegas for your own. (That annoyed Carlyle because he was a racist piece of shit and thought that black people would just laze around all day if they weren't forced to work. Elimination of all subgroups and ethnicities until there is only one: Legion. All of the negatives Caesar sees done by the NCR and everybody else, are absolutely not even 1% compared to all of the negative he brings. Acquisition of slaves via conquest made up a big part of their economy. Almost nowhere in this universe lands are safe. Or maybe I'm just rewriting the Legion in my head in a lame attempt to make their story more defensible... Obsidian time-restraints tho, [–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (2 children). Livestream promotion not allowed. 1 Background 2 Characteristics 3 Location 4 Notes 5 Behind the scenes 6 Bugs 7 Gallery 8 References The Platinum Chip was designed by Robert House1 and was printed at great expense in Sunnyvale on October 22, 2077, a day before the Great War, but it became lost in the following nuclear holocaust.2 After regaining consciousness from … Legion is not evil because of their ends, they are evil because their means have tainted their ends. I agree actually. The Legion needs fighters, and it needs a constant supply of them - absorbing small tribes from out in the desert isn't enough anymore to replenish the Legion. IDK, I'm rambling I guess. I don't have to, people already do that on Reddit all the time, sadly. Imagine a highly populated/radiated building, with feral ghouls coming at you from everywhere. -- Et tu, Courier"! A town you later find out was full of crooks and gangbangers. Maybe he "adopts" someone as an heir like Julius Caesar adopted Augustus. [–]OverseerConeyFollowers 281 points282 points283 points 3 years ago (18 children). [–]CleaningcaptainFor a better NCR! My main gripe is actually that people side against the stormcloaks and call them evil because they are racist against non-Nords and practice segregation in Windhelm. Females are not allowed to voluntarily fight in the arena. Die for us or we'll kill you". [–]AngryArmourAuld Lang Syne 16 points17 points18 points 3 years ago (3 children). By the way, I really suggest you proofread your comments in the future. [–]Vault121 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (2 children). Would love to see people justify this. Everyone was racist back then. What he says make sense in a world where only the strong can survive. "B-but roads are safe!" Walmart would like their workers to work for free, but no one will. he w… Despite all of these points that I can invent to "lawyer away the bad bits", I've played through New Vegas several times, and have seen that you're essentially railroaded into joining the NCR unless you're roleplaying as an evil character. He's a petty, vindictive man, wanting to rub the grown-ups' nose in it for not putting him in charge of everything to begin with. He's not a monster; he's a person who does monstrous things. Doing a Legion Playthrough? I went to Caeser's fort to try and join the Legion, but I just couldn't take it. Vulpes would only need to convince Lanius that, despite their disagreements on how they do things, both are on the same side with the same overall goals (which is, in and of itself, true.) Exactly. It make no sense, the dialogues are writted with the ass and you don't have interaction. Use descriptive titles. ", [–]Davexen 291 points292 points293 points 3 years ago (60 children). Over 230 upvotes on his and over 20 downvotes on yours. ", [–]pieceofchess 14 points15 points16 points 3 years ago (1 child). I think the game was supposed to have more morally grey legion end to quests, but as we all know the NCR was completed first and the game shipped rushed. How is there no logic to using slaves? [–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children). [–]SabyZNCR 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (2 children), killing and enslaving a large amount of the population. ", you just do it. [–]BoobieBoobieButtButt 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children). He doesn't want any of his troops to be softened by technology, like the NCR. [–]Coltactt 28 points29 points30 points 3 years ago (4 children), I always saw the legion as the "necessary evil" to tame the wastes. Because legions were not permanent units until the Marian reforms (c. 107 BC), and were instead created, used, and disbanded again, several hundred legions were named and numbered throughout Roman history. Not me, honestly. How do you explain the Enclave can kidnap entire vault/village and not 2 guys and a kid ? 2) Head west out of New Vegas to find the Violet and Violetta trailer park. diversification and immigration are forced upon them against their will; 4.) Caesar clearly states in his dialogue that his entire goal for taking over the Mojave, ins't just to expand, it's to transform his nomadic empire, into a true state with real staying power. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy. [–]Vault121 -5 points-4 points-3 points 3 years ago (4 children), [–]Swampeyaway1 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (3 children). This is something I've always wished they would phase out. This made it look like the "Legion at war" is all that the Legion is, rather than part of a campaign. In such environments, being lightly armored means you can be faster, stealthier and can travel for longer distances, which is how the Legion keeps sneaking into NCR territories for raids. Slavery is extremely logical. You never bother to think "should I engage 4 raiders at once? Because it's new vegas and Obsidian, I can only imagine the grief Bethesda would've got if they put a bunch of loonys running around dressed as romans in the game. That would have been an interesting concept. in the second wave you'd have your slightly more experienced troops followed by your best troops with your oldest most experienced troops in the forth wave, now the 4th wave was equipped with a weapon similar to a pike there are two theories as to why this was the first is that they would be acting as camp defenders and to protect the troops from enemy cavalry in the event of a rout and the second theory is to stop men from retreating from the battlefield. Maybe Lanius only took control of that war outpost while the backup emperor was being educated, trained and groomed back in Arizona. [–]AstronianProfligate and Proud 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (0 children). I almost always do the independent New Vegas playthrough, which I think is the best because my Courier was tough but fair. As far as villains go, Caesar's Legion is almost on the same level as The Master's Army. [–]HughesJohnEnclave 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (1 child). EDIT: To make this clear, I hate the Legion because they are fuckers. You need to read more carefully mate. A fallout game with certain enemies so tough you cannot kill them before they kill you, like SWATs or something, to police would create a much more interesting atmosphere. [–]Cotrop 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (1 child). Its only a matter of time when players will know not to pre-order from Ubi. could you imagine these types of arguments being used justify why Hitler actually had some good points about him and not just negative? Confusing the two is literally what they teach you NOT to do in English classes. [–]freshthrowaway1138 15 points16 points17 points 3 years ago (0 children). Catch is if you're not a civilian - then you're military or slave. [–]flipdark95Brotherhood I make stuff I guess 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago* (7 children). Not long into their travels, the group was captured by the Blackfoot tribe and held for ransom.At the time, the tribe warred against seven other tribes and suffered from a lack of skill in warfare. Though really I dont know if that would make for a fun game. The reason raiders aren't noted in legion lands isn't cause they were obliterated it's because after seeing the first couple crucifictions they gave up and went back to regular lives or left. Focused on sniping, survival and repair, has affinity with boone and a soft spot for the NCR's mission (and their ranger armour). The NCR simply has too strong of a military force to lose. For Fallout: New Vegas on the Xbox 360, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "The Legion". I also would like it if the Legion reacts to the Courier differently if the Courier is female. They'rE almostly comically evil and the narrative makes no attempt to redeem anything they do. Except for the fact that he literally just did. Medicine. [+][deleted] comment score below threshold-17 points-16 points-15 points 3 years ago (2 children). It's either work or die/get beaten. And he is, but the follow-Up can be beloved and good. I don't know if you forgot high school history but slaves have been historically an extremely valuable commodity that pays for itself and more, [–]JakalDXAradesh died for this shit 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children). [–]huntimir151 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children). Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns. [–]dutchwonder 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children). Definitely the most unnerving in fallout, imo. I whipped out my .22 pistol I concealed, started pelting Caeser with like 20 points of damage at most, and just ran around and shot everyone while they tried to punch me. You'll also not suffer from NCR's corruption, since you don't depend on them. After the First Battle of Hoover Dam, Mr. House knew that as soon as either the NCR or the Legion became victorious at the Dam, they would turn their attention to New Vegas. Therefore, people assume he would be a hope of sorts for the wasteland since he can attain this power, and while it would be true, his structure is so twisted at it's core even he himself can turn his loyal slaves against him through one change that doesn't suit his character. When people say the Legion are "cartoonishly evil" (there are people out there who claim that), it makes me wonder if they also think Hitler is "cartoonishly evil". Morally grey? Personally, I don't find them terribly compelling - I think Caesar's defining quality is being intelligent and charismatic enough to unite these different groups and create a loyal army, but thinking he's a lot more intelligent and charismatic even than that, and with a sense of aggrieved entitlement to match. 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